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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:43 pm 
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My point was that any post that assumed guilt of an un-convicted man, as some did by suggesting an appropriate penalty was quite probably in contempt of court when made during the trial.
Despite being called “The Bar” I can assure you that this forum is hosted on the World Wide Web, can be accessed by all and is not a chat between mates in the pub.
My concern was that if comment on this topic was encouraged during the trial then there was a likelihood of more blatant or contentious comments being posted.
I was disappointed by the attitude one in particular who despite being tasked with moderating this forum appeared to be reckless as to the potential consequence of their own and others’ comments or the potential damage to the reputation of the TRF and trail riding had the comments got out of hand.
If the roles were reversed for example the prosecution of TRF members and had the posts been on the NFU site then I’m sure that many on this forum would have thought the comments unjust.


Your concerns only apply to the jurors. As was the case recently when a juror consulted the internet for info on the defendant and she was done for contempt of court and locked up for longer than the defendant in the case got. So comments on forums can only prejudice a case if a juror sees them and that would mean they would end up in court themselves.
Anyway, none of the comments were making false claims about the farmer's character or anything like that so they wouldn't have a bearing on the case. The comments were just opinions (whip him to within an inch of his life etc.) about the sentence the farmer should receive.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:12 pm 
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hi guys the court case was disgustingly unfair,the prosecution lawyer was that bad that the judge had to pick up on things that the prosecution lawyer had missed,such obvious things.the police took us from the scene to two police stations and kept in separate rooms where we gave video evidence.the police say all are two hour statements are 95% the same.yet in court we begged the court to see are video evidence,but no they just kept saying we are liars,thugs,and that we had 16months to meet up and concoct a story. i am a man with morals and like to think that people are never that bad so i sat in that court for seven days trying to find away that it just might of been a accident i couldn't and it wasn't.Gary has been robbed of his life,robbed of a fair trial,and branded along with us a liars and a thugs. hopefully i will be giving my side of what happend to the mcn this week. simon frost.


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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:31 am 
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Rougharse-Racing wrote:
My point was that any post that assumed guilt of an un-convicted man, as some did by suggesting an appropriate penalty was quite probably in contempt of court when made during the trial.
Despite being called “The Bar” I can assure you that this forum is hosted on the World Wide Web, can be accessed by all and is not a chat between mates in the pub.
My concern was that if comment on this topic was encouraged during the trial then there was a likelihood of more blatant or contentious comments being posted.
I was disappointed by the attitude one in particular who despite being tasked with moderating this forum appeared to be reckless as to the potential consequence of their own and others’ comments or the potential damage to the reputation of the TRF and trail riding had the comments got out of hand.
If the roles were reversed for example the prosecution of TRF members and had the posts been on the NFU site then I’m sure that many on this forum would have thought the comments unjust.


As you are referring to me I will answer.

My comments were my opinion, I do not represent any body, club, association or fellowship - just me. I was not part of the case nor was I present at court. It is in fact the legal responsibilty of the members of the jury to not read any "opinion" printed in the press or stated online during the trial, it is NOT "contempt of court" for a private individual to state his or her opinion about a case on a discussion forum, just as it is not contempt of court to state an opinion in a pub.

As for being "tasked with moderating this forum", yes, you're right I am tasked with that and I spend not inconsiderable amounts of my personal time removing spam, porn and other sh1t from the site. I am not purporting to speak for the TRF, my wife, village, dog, family or even you, so get a bloody grip and stop peddling ill-informed psuedo-legal clap trap. If you have an issue with me fulfilling the voluntary role as moderator on this site then pay your subs, join the TRF and complain about me; in the meantime wind your bloody neck in.

Just so you have no doubts; as far as I'm concerned they should have thrown the key away.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:00 am 
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This is an observation made from just the small amount of real information taken from the links in this thread.......

The taking of life, any life in any circumstances is wrong. The CPS couldn't let this incident go unchallenged but clearly even after all the time they spent on it they could not put together a good enough case to get past what probably was a very expensive defence lawyer. If they really didn't use the video evidence then it is because it did not help the case for the prosecution. This happens in court everyday and criminals get let off, rich people avoid paying tax, the wronged get even more wronged.

What i don't understand is that at one end of the scale we have a Farmer who shoots a pair of Burglars actually in his house and he gets 5 years and another Farmer is involved in an incident which results in a death of a biker and is found not guilty. I am sure if i looked the answer is in the detail.

My personal Opinion is

Riding a motorcycle generally in this country ( i dont live anywhere else so i cannot speak for other countries) is considered a dangerous past time undertaken by hooligans and those with disregard to laws of the road and common decency. The only exception being( Maybe) are the eccentrics and older riders on Old Classic bikes and Harley Cruisers. ( I can go through the same village in the morning on a trail bike and people glare at me whilst in the afternoon go through on a Harley and the same people smile even wave.......Fact)

A Typical Biker is considered by the general public to be exactly what the Mad MAx films depicted. And every day they see it reenacted on our motorways, waste land, Private land, country roads and urban streets and the results printed daily in the papers.

The worst of all are those that ride"Dirt Bikes" through our countryside destroying the paths. cutting up land. scaring the sh!t out of the poor people trying to enjoy the countryside ( In case you were unaware it does happen regularly- not all the time and not by everyone) . Who in turn make life hell for the poor overworked, underpaid ( and now "pensionless" public servants who largely just want to get through the day with the least hassell.

Even if we don't ride like this it is what the public believes ( and wants to believe) and every time ( Irrespective of what Joe Public might be doing) a bike comes around a corner and has to brake sharply only goes to prove it.

With little or no public support how is a genuine, considerate and law abiding Trail rider going to survive and enjoy his past time for much longer.....................WAKE UP BOYS...........SMELL THE COFFEE.........ITS ALL GOING TO END and this incident is not the beginning ...............ITS THE START OF THE END.

If it is not too late and the cancer terminal we have to do some serious surgery.

We have to define antisocial riding and help stamp it out.
Firstly within our own organisation and then encourage other trail riders to follow.
We have to amalgamate or at least align with ALL other Trail riders and become THE TRAIL RIDERS FELLOWSHIP.
Then horror of horrers make ourselves acceptable to ALL other users because in the end the real Battle is still about access for all and the Government and landowners are gradually getting it all back and all the time we are bitching at each other the establishment is winning. Be fore it was the Aristocracy and now its Madonna or the Russian Oligarchs or what ever they are.

we may very well be organising a campaign to take back the lanes ( with the backing of the TRF) soon. All it will take is a photograph of one Tosser showing off to his mates how clever he is and it will all be for nothing because it will prove the anti's right. ( Even an unfortunate slip of the clutch accidental wheelie will be enough..........more likely though a Tosser showing off)

NO BODY LOVES US. The vast majority of whom wont say anything and enough of the others will vote to have us banned to pay and play and then they will campaign ( and Win) to get them closed down because of the noise.

The TRF and other vehicle groups, the manufacturers and most importantly the Trail riders themselves need to decide now what needs to be done AND DO IT even to extent of shaming the riders around them that dont think the same way.

OURS IS LIKELY TO BE THE LAST GENERATION OF TRAIL RIDERS.

Sorry to take up you time.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:47 am 
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Well said Mike

and in case some of you think that view of bikers is peculiar to Cambridgeshire let me assure you it's not.

Every time a dirt bike is ridden (with it's annoying whiney Japanese (German, Austrian or even British engine) through towns and villages, rider covered from head to toe in dirt and not going out of his way to smile and wave, that perception is reinforced. Perhaps that's not fair but that's the way it is.

The non riding public has enough trouble with getting past "motorcycles are dangerous" with street bikes - ask me how I know! - and "dirt bikes" are a step beyond.


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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:00 am 
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Well I suppose its just me but, I tend to be nice to people when I'm on my Bike and most people tend to be nice to me. Strangely enough this also applys when I'm on my Bicycle.

I expect it's coincidence.


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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:02 am 
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simon exc wrote:
hi guys the court case was disgustingly unfair,the prosecution lawyer was that bad that the judge had to pick up on things that the prosecution lawyer had missed,such obvious things.the police took us from the scene to two police stations and kept in separate rooms where we gave video evidence.the police say all are two hour statements are 95% the same.yet in court we begged the court to see are video evidence,but no they just kept saying we are liars,thugs,and that we had 16months to meet up and concoct a story. i am a man with morals and like to think that people are never that bad so i sat in that court for seven days trying to find away that it just might of been a accident i couldn't and it wasn't.Gary has been robbed of his life,robbed of a fair trial,and branded along with us a liars and a thugs. hopefully i will be giving my side of what happend to the mcn this week. simon frost.



Thanks for posting up these details, it must have been a very difficult time for you and your friends

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:33 am 
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Darren Chapman wrote:
Well I suppose its just me but, I tend to be nice to people when I'm on my Bike and most people tend to be nice to me. Strangely enough this also applys when I'm on my Bicycle.

I expect it's coincidence.



Same for me.
It takes so little time and effort to be nice and it immediately puts the antis on the back foot
Even just a nod or a wave is normally sufficient to relieve a mild frown from a passing walker/rider/cyclist.

I've only just got into cycling and my wife and I still stick to nice level cycle paths :oops: but it's the quietness that takes them by surprise so a single ting on the bell and a good morning/afternoon is all that is generally needed.

Quite how we get the non-believers among us to tone things down I don't know.
If they're one of your group, just don't invite them out I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:35 am 
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simon exc wrote:
hi guys the court case was disgustingly unfair,the prosecution lawyer was that bad that the judge had to pick up on things that the prosecution lawyer had missed,such obvious things.the police took us from the scene to two police stations and kept in separate rooms where we gave video evidence.the police say all are two hour statements are 95% the same.yet in court we begged the court to see are video evidence,but no they just kept saying we are liars,thugs,and that we had 16months to meet up and concoct a story. i am a man with morals and like to think that people are never that bad so i sat in that court for seven days trying to find away that it just might of been a accident i couldn't and it wasn't.Gary has been robbed of his life,robbed of a fair trial,and branded along with us a liars and a thugs. hopefully i will be giving my side of what happend to the mcn this week. simon frost.


Unfortunately the law is a very one sided club run by the Judges and Barristers who will joke between themselves at the expense of witnesses etc but the have to be careful with those being prosectued as they can call for a mis-trial. The law has made it's decision not matter how much we may disagree, and the result of the case is often down to the skill of the Barristers not the evidence.

It has been good of you to come forward and explain what has happened.

My advice to you would be to write to both the Home Secretary and the Justice Secretary as well as your own MP and put your case forward about the inadequacy of the prosecution council.
Keep copies of everything and then if you are not satisfied contact on of the campaigning tabloids and ask for their support.
You will need to be prepared for the backlash which will come from the farming community. But whatever you do best wishes, and please pass on the condolences of the TRF community to your fellow rider's family.

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