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 Post subject: Re: Daylight MOT confusing or what....
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:07 am 
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well I was WRONG..

Below is the answer from VOSA re the MOT..

I awaiting a reply from the DfT who have responsibility for
legislation, Roadworthiness and Testing Policy Group re use on the road of a vehicle with no lights..

I'll post the answer up as soon as it arrives..

again I WAS WRONG about the MOT... ;)



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> 11/01/2012 21:21
> Subject
> Re: Motorcycle rear brake light,
> stop lamp.
>
>
> Dear VOSA,
>
> I have asked the question specifically to answer a discussion on a web
> forum where the users are advocating that they dont need to have a rear
> brake light fitted to a motorcycle for day light use.
>
> Unfortunately your answer below has not been direct enough to understand.
>
> The MOT regulations for testing of a motorcycle clearly states that only
> certain motorcycles dont need a rear brake light.
>
> These being:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> VOSA MOT Guide doc Motorcycles 2012
>
> Stop Lamp
>
> For this test if a stop lamp is fitted, it must meet the requirements of
> this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
>
> a. cannot exceed 25mph, or
> b. was first used before 1 January I936.or
> c. was first used before 1 April 1986 and which has an engine capacity of
> less than 50cc.
> Machines first used before 1 April 1986 must have a stop lamp that operates
> from at least one brake control.
>
> Machines first used on or after 1 April 1986 must have a stop lamp that
> operates from both brake controls.
> However, a small number of machines first used from this date were approved
> with the stop lamp operated by only one control. A machine should only be
> failed if you are certain that it was originally manufactured to operate
> from both controls
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This seems to intimate that all other motorcycles not specifically listed
> in A, B, or C are required to have a rear brake light fitted.
>
> The 1989 Road Vehicle Lighting regulations states:
>
> "Nothing in these Regulations shall require any lamp or reflector to be
> fitted between sunrise and sunset to (a) a vehicle not fitted with any
> front or rear position lamp,"
>
> This seems to intimate than those motorcycles that do not need a rear brake
> light fitted are only those as listed in the regulations as those that need
> not be fitted with one. I.E. that all other road vehicles including
> motorcycles do need a rear brake light fitted for road use.
>
> The "vehicle not fitted with a rear brake light" means those vehicles that
> "need not be fitted " with a rear brake light and the Act lists these in:
>
> SCHEDULE 1, OBLIGATORY LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS AND DEVICES, Table
> II of the 1989 Road Vehicle Lighting regulations.
>
> So ANY motorcycle not meeting one of the exceptions listed in Table II DOES
> need a rear brake light.
>
>
> So can you please tell me in simple terms.
>
> Can any motorcycle
> a: Pass an MOT test without a rear brake light.
> b: Be ridden on the road without a rear brake light.

>
> Thanks,
>
> ANDY.T


----- Original Message -----
From: <Enquiries@vosa.gov.uk>
To: ANDY.T
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Motorcycle rear brake light, stop lamp.


> Dear Mr T,
>
> Thank you for your email enquiry dated 11th January, 2012 concerninga rear
> brake light for motyrcycle.
>
> I think you may misinterpreting the clause about "Nothing in these
> regs........................................." . This means that a vehicle
> which does not have front or rear position lamps need not have any other
> lamps fitted.
>
> The information column of Section 1.1 of the IM states (and is referred to
> in other lighting sections)
> "This inspection applies to all vehicles, except those which either have no
> front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected,
> painted over or masked that are:
> only used during daylight hours, and
> not used at times of seriously reduced visibility."
>
So in answer to a & b; yes, providing it does not have front or rear
> position lamps, meets the requirements of daylight hours and is not used
> during times of seriously reduce visibility.

>
From an MOT perspective we do not need to know that the vehicle is being
> used during daylight hours and the IM advises testers as follows;
> "If this situation occurs, the vehicle presenter should be issued with a
> VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above"
>
However the local constabulary enforce "in use" and we cannot comment on
> any stance they may take in any particular instance. MOT Standards Team
> If you would like a detailed interpretation of the regulation then I would
> advise you to contact DfT who have responsibility for
> legislation.Roadworthiness and Testing Policy Group
> The Department for Transport contact number is 0300 330 3000.
>
> I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have
> any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
>
> Kind Regards
> Christina M Joseph
> Customer Service Centre
> VOSA Operations Directorate
> Tel: 0300 123 9000
>
> The staff at the VOSA Contact Centre are keen to hear your feedback on the
> service that they provide for you,to enable them to further understand
> customer requirements and make improvements where possible. Please take a
> few moments to complete our Contact Centre Customer Feedback form by
> clicking here
>
>
>
>
> ANDY.T
> <Enquiries@vosa.gov.uk>

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ANDY.T

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2005 KTM 250EXC (11,500 miles so far)
BMW R100 awaiting time to convert to 1980's HPN GS PD Replica.
All useful parts wanted ;)
Need :USD DRZ E front end complete & GS petrol tank.


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