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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 9:44 pm 
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I've found 4500 cards for £450 + VAT with individual names and numbers printed.

I don't think that is too great a cost for the TRF to get us compliant with our own rules.

If any one wants to follow this up it was at Web digitalid.co.uk


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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 6:55 am 
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smokinrider wrote:
5000 cards = £1825 plus vat and packaging. Members details sent to them on a excel file monthly to generate that months renewals.

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So now we have an idea. We can however buy blank cards and a membership/ID card printer for under £1000 and then add on the price of the blank cards and ink.

So I think the guesstimate of £2k isn't far off the mark.

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My £2k guesstimate was vindicated and way cheaper the £9k originally stabbed at

£2k out of a £200k annual membership income is worthwhile

Hell, our group has just given Yorkshire Dales National Park a £2500 donation and our annual income is only £5-£6000

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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 8:21 am 
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I'm afraid I still don't get the desire to have a thick lump of plastic, we don't have windscreens to clean. I suppose they may be handy as a prop stand base. :D

What is the comparative cost of the pop out plasticised 'cards' that I assume we can print ourselves?
If the sticker goes out with a renewal amd they survive being nailed to a bike in most, if not all, comditions, I am sure they would last a year in a wallet.

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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:16 am 
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davidscott wrote:
I'm afraid I still don't get the desire to have a thick lump of plastic, we don't have windscreens to clean. I suppose they may be handy as a prop stand base. :D

What is the comparative cost of the pop out plasticised 'cards' that I assume we can print ourselves?
If the sticker goes out with a renewal amd they survive being nailed to a bike in most, if not all, comditions, I am sure they would last a year in a wallet.



Then I guess you never will. And it's hardly a thick lump of plastic by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't use a wallet so a crappy piece of paper won't last me 5 minutes. A bit like the new fade or fall off after 5 minutes stickers.

As for the comparative costs. 1) I don't join an organisation and expect to print the card myself, but I assume print ourselves means printed by the trf.
2) the cost between paper or plastic is going to be the cost of the card which is currently £15 per 100 so 15p.


Bottom line is someone on the board can say 100% what printing 4000 cards cost 2015-2016 and therefore can calculate what's been saved by the current system 2016-2017

We can then see if we are being overcharged by the provider and what the real savings are compared to the ill feeling it's generated by the current system.

So come on bean counters tell us the true figures.






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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:29 am 
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smokinrider wrote:
davidscott wrote:
I'm afraid I still don't get the desire to have a thick lump of plastic, we don't have windscreens to clean. I suppose they may be handy as a prop stand base. :D

What is the comparative cost of the pop out plasticised 'cards' that I assume we can print ourselves?
If the sticker goes out with a renewal amd they survive being nailed to a bike in most, if not all, comditions, I am sure they would last a year in a wallet.



Then I guess you never will. And it's hardly a thick lump of plastic by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't use a wallet so a crappy piece of paper won't last me 5 minutes. A bit like the new fade or fall off after 5 minutes stickers.

As for the comparative costs. 1) I don't join an organisation and expect to print the card myself, but I assume print ourselves means printed by the trf.
2) the cost between paper or plastic is going to be the cost of the card which is currently £15 per 100 so 15p.


Bottom line is someone on the board can say 100% what printing 4000 cards cost 2015-2016 and therefore can calculate what's been saved by the current system 2016-2017

We can then see if we are being overcharged by the provider and what the real savings are compared to the ill feeling it's generated by the current system.

So come on bean counters tell us the true figures.






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Calm down :D
No-one has just one plastic card. Thick ones mount up to a thick wodge and area a nuisance.
Do you stuff a couple of fivers in a back pocket then? I presume you are not the queen and do carry cash and debit/credit cards, recovery organisation etc etc so the card(s) must also go somewhere ;)

I didn't mean print my own - 'ourselves' was the TRF - they would come out with the renewal acknowledgement and sticker (however crappy it might be but mine has been ok so far).
But is it really so bad to print one card yourself if we had to? It wouldn't bother me.
We're all trying to save admin costs here and £2k is £2k whatever the income or turnover.

If there had never been a thick plastic card, would anyone have been demanding them over and above a thinner plasticised one?
Maybe you could glue it to an out of date credit card ;) :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:17 pm 
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Just a Credit card and trf card in phone cover along with a tenner for pies.

Wouldn't take a wallet full of cards and cash out on the trail.

Just the bare essentials.



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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
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Cost is £0.

There go:


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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
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jonpaul1st wrote:
Cost is £0.

There go:


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TRF Membership Card.pdf


Perfect.
For added weatherpoofing, put in a plastic bag. :D

Too much stress over such a small 'problem'.

A tenner?
Breakfast before you start, mid morning coffee, a nice pub/cafe lunch, refill with fuel and maybe afternoon tea. Don't be a cheapskate :lol:

I am joking (almost).

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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:09 pm 
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stormbringer wrote:
From memory the costs are less than £2, but, times that by 4500 and we have the potential to spend up to £9k on plastic cards. Is this an acceptable use of funds? Let's wait for the feedback to see if a majority are in favour of the plastic cards and then we will carry out a detailed analysis of up to date costs and ask the members for approval/opinion. I'm sorry if I can't be more precise with costs but if we consider that it will be at least £1 and less than £2 we can at least estimate the potential spend for now.



The saving would be the cost of the card or 15p x 4500 or £700 approx as all other fixed costs for renewals/new members processes would not change....if every member asked for a new card after their renewal letter had been posted out to them then that adds another at least £1 per member (letter and postage plus admin charge) or £4500 so the unintended consequence of not issuing cards is it could end up costing £4K more per year!

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 Post subject: Re: Bring Back the TRF Annual Membership Plastic Card
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:38 pm 
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davidscott wrote:
jonpaul1st wrote:
Cost is £0.

There go:


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TRF Membership Card.pdf


Perfect.
For added weatherpoofing, put in a plastic bag. :D

Too much stress over such a small 'problem'.

A tenner?
Breakfast before you start, mid morning coffee, a nice pub/cafe lunch, refill with fuel and maybe afternoon tea. Don't be a cheapskate :lol:

I am joking (almost).


Paperless here, well no printer, but agree for thn a tenner for breakfast and lunch on a full day out.

My phone case as my TRF card, a tenner and my observers card. The rest in in my slimline wallet.

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