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 Post subject: Re: e-bike
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:09 pm 
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Some background into what's allowed and what's not here (interesting that there now seems to be an 'approved' list for off-highway competition machines):

Electric bicycles and mopeds: there are no 'grey areas'

The Motorcycle Industry Association (MCIA) and the Bicycle Association of Great Britain (BA) are concerned that some sellers are unaware of, or ignoring, the rules surrounding high powered electric bicycles.
Both associations are fielding enquiries regarding the exploitation of a 'grey area', whereby high powered bikes are bought for 'off-road use', in the mistaken belief that this makes them exempt from existing rules.
In order for an electric bike to enjoy the same rights as an ordinary pedal cycle, it should have working pedals, not exceed 250 Watts and the electrical assistance should cut out when the bike reaches 15.5mph.
In the UK, an electric bike over 250W is legally classified as a moped if it is to be ridden on the road. Mopeds must be 'type approved'*, registered, taxed, insured and have an MOT. The rider must have the appropriate licence/training and wear a helmet.
If an electric bike over 250W is intended for off-road use in the UK, then it must comply with the same rules which apply to off-road motorcycles. That means riders are barred from using public roads, common land, paths or tracks intended for cyclists and must be registered on an agreed list for off-road competition bikes, known as the FIM competition list.
MCIA and BA would also remind anyone who owns or is selling an e-bike that it makes no difference if the machine has a switch to flick between a higher and lower power setting. The higher power rating is the rating that the bike needs to be classified by.
Steve Garidis, Operations Director of the BA, said: "The vast majority of the industry understands its obligations and is highly professional in the way it sells electric bicycles, but it's vital all sellers understand there is really no 'grey area' when it comes to when an electric bicycle must be treated as a moped. 'Speed pedelecs' for example, a category of faster e-bike becoming popular in Germany and other countries, are categorised as mopeds in the UK. They have motors more powerful than 250W and offer power assist to a higher speed than 25km/h (15.5mph). Unlike in Germany, there are no regulations which exempt speed pedelecs from any of the standard moped requirements in the UK, so the machine must be type approved, registered, taxed, insured; the rider must have a suitable licence and wear a full motorbike helmet, and be over 16."
Dave Luscombe, MCIA's Project Manager for Alternative Powered Vehicles, explained the situation for off-road use: "Telling someone they are 'okay on private land' is seriously misleading, unless you make them understand they probably need to own the land themselves. High powered off-road electric bikes currently fall within rules meant for off-road motorcycle sport. That means they can't access areas where, for example, motocross machines are barred. They can't use public roads, common land or any trails or paths intended for bicycles and the bike must be registered on the FIM competition list, which is a list agreed by all EU manufacturers for bikes used in off-road sport. Dealers must make the restricted access very clear to people who may believe they can use cycle trails."

To recap

* For an e-bike to be treated legally as a bicycle in the UK it must be 250W or less, must have pedals and the power assistance must cut out at 15.5mph. Anything else is treated in law as a moped.
* Speed pedelecs are currently treated in UK law as mopeds, with no exemptions from moped requirements.
* Anything over 250W and intended for off-road use is classified similarly to a motocross machine and must be FIM registered and can only go where regular motocross bikes are legally permitted to go.

 Post subject: Re: e-bike
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:09 am 
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I demonstrated my full suspension TREK to a TRF Executive meeting, which I'd built with a hub motor over 3 years ago. Being a motorcyclist and MTB rider I'd always wanted to combine the two. An e-MTB ALLOWS US TO USE A POWERED TWO WHEELER on green roads we can't use a motorcycle. I now have a HAIBIKE AMT full suspension. Great handling and it's quick. Hills are not a massive pain but you still have to work at it.
They compliment a motorcycle on which note my next will be a ZERO DS. Suddenly another sense is turned on; hearing!

 Post subject: Re: e-bike
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:34 pm 

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Great idea and far more suited to this country than anything with an engine. Even though I hate to admit it :|

 Post subject: Re: e-bike
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:03 am 
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How do the dongles work? Do they plug in and stay on the bike? Meaning you can unplug them quickly?

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