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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:37 am 
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As for being "tasked with moderating this forum", yes, you're right I am tasked with that and I spend not inconsiderable amounts of my personal time removing spam, porn and other sh1t from the site.




Good excuse :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:41 am 
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hi guys the court case was disgustingly unfair,the prosecution lawyer was that bad that the judge had to pick up on things that the prosecution lawyer had missed,such obvious things.the police took us from the scene to two police stations and kept in separate rooms where we gave video evidence.the police say all are two hour statements are 95% the same.yet in court we begged the court to see are video evidence,but no they just kept saying we are liars,thugs,and that we had 16months to meet up and concoct a story. i am a man with morals and like to think that people are never that bad so i sat in that court for seven days trying to find away that it just might of been a accident i couldn't and it wasn't.Gary has been robbed of his life,robbed of a fair trial,and branded along with us a liars and a thugs. hopefully i will be giving my side of what happend to the mcn this week. simon frost.



Thanks for posting. Hope you get some justice.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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mike Irving wrote:
How do you Know Bob?


I know because I am constantly accosted by people who tell me "motorcycles are dangerous". If I try to explain why they're not or how much training I've had or how few accidents there are, more often than not, the follow up is "my friend's friend was killed on/by a motorcycle".

I rarely hear that about cars despite the higher accident rates (yes I know that "the risk" on a bike is 20 times higher than in a car. What I mean is the actual numbers of accidents are higher) and, round my way at least, mentioning that "the risk" on a horse is 20 times higher than on a motorcycle wins no friends either.


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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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mike Irving wrote:
How do you Know Bob?


I know because I am constantly accosted by people who tell me "motorcycles are dangerous". If I try to explain why they're not or how much training I've had or how few accidents there are, more often than not, the follow up is "my friend's friend was killed on/by a motorcycle".

I rarely hear that about cars despite the higher accident rates (yes I know that "the risk" on a bike is 20 times higher than in a car. What I mean is the actual numbers of accidents are higher) and, round my way at least, mentioning that "the risk" on a horse is 20 times higher than on a motorcycle wins no friends either.



I've posted elsewhere on the forum about dogwalking accidents - 37 in 2 months in one A+E in E Sussex that I used to work in. 20 years of working in A+E departments and I've yet to see an injured trailbiker or someone injured by a trailbiker.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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BobStammers wrote:
mike Irving wrote:
How do you Know Bob?


I know because I am constantly accosted by people who tell me "motorcycles are dangerous". If I try to explain why they're not or how much training I've had or how few accidents there are, more often than not, the follow up is "my friend's friend was killed on/by a motorcycle".

I rarely hear that about cars despite the higher accident rates (yes I know that "the risk" on a bike is 20 times higher than in a car. What I mean is the actual numbers of accidents are higher) and, round my way at least, mentioning that "the risk" on a horse is 20 times higher than on a motorcycle wins no friends either.



Thank you Bob........it was not a trick question...........you asked ".......ask me how i know" so i did. 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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simon exc wrote:
hi guys the court case was disgustingly unfair,the prosecution lawyer was that bad that the judge had to pick up on things that the prosecution lawyer had missed,such obvious things.the police took us from the scene to two police stations and kept in separate rooms where we gave video evidence.the police say all are two hour statements are 95% the same.yet in court we begged the court to see are video evidence,but no they just kept saying we are liars,thugs,and that we had 16months to meet up and concoct a story. i am a man with morals and like to think that people are never that bad so i sat in that court for seven days trying to find away that it just might of been a accident i couldn't and it wasn't.Gary has been robbed of his life,robbed of a fair trial,and branded along with us a liars and a thugs. hopefully i will be giving my side of what happend to the mcn this week. simon frost.


Personally I think it's outrageous that Mr. Wolfe was not found guilty and I sincerely hope that you are able to get some satisfaction through another route.

I'm very sorry for the loss of your friend.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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The wifes story

Originally Posted by Riders Wife on PistonHeads
Right here you go guys, you want the FACTS. Then you can have them.

On the 30th October 2010 my Husband of 17 years, my husband who spent 23 years serving in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, my husband who had no criminal convictions, who worked every day of his life since the age of 16, paid his taxes,respected people, lived his life quietly and made every single person he met laugh and love him. My husband went out for a ride with his friends, one a bank manager, one a construction director, one a company director and one a mental health worker (not a bunch of imbosiles as some of you sick heartless individuals seem to assume)

He never came home! He never came home because he was killed. The facts are:- Yes they did get lost, they took a wrong turn into an open field. A stubble field. No crops, no anmimals no gates. They drove around the edge of this stinking feild looking for an exit, when they realised there wasn't one they turned their bikes around to leave. At that point they saw a 4X4 tearing towards them. Not liking the speed at which this vehicle was approaching they continued to leave the field.

The vehicle continued at high speed and chased after them, it chased them and chased them pushing them off this persons land and back onto it. In the dock he admitted driving into my husband. He may not have got up that morning with the intent to kill someone but the moment he continued driving at them that was his intention. He was asked the question "why didn't you stop when they left the field" his answer "they were on my land"

His actions killed my husband, but because this individual is of "good character" they find him not guilty. Well in my book the law just said - you get lost, you take a wrong turn onto someone's land you get your loaded gun or 4X4 and you go ahead and wipe that person out. The law now says it's fine to do that so go ahead Farmer Giles - fill your boots.

All the true and honest people are the ones who can see just what that man did that day, all the people who seem to think the actions of that farmer are justified should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you even think you can make a judgement or comment on something so serious in such a blaze manner. Come knock on my door and I'll show you just what he did, I'll show you just what he took away.

FYI, Not at any time in the past 16 months has that man shown one single bit of remorse, Not one single apologetic word has come from his mouth. So if this was an accident would'nt you be sorry, wouldn't you be mortified that your accidental actions took a life. He's not, and never has been sorry so how the hell was it ever an accident. I'll tell you the type of person him and his friends are:- They are this so called group of upstanding pillars of the community they not only tried to intimidate me in court on a daily basis, they looked at my family with smug grins across their faces when the verdict was read out. When two of the riders walked past the farmer in court he in turn looked directly at them and smiled. What did any of us ever do? My husband didnt deserve to die in such a violent and painful manner, no one deserves that. I don't deserve to spend the rest of my life without him and to be frank and honest with you all I don't want to. I'd give my last breath away right now to someone in this world fighting to live if it meant I could be with my husband.

Where's the justice in any of that. The law stinks and so do those who stand here and justify the actions of a man who has deliberatley taken a life and got off scott free./quote]

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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Thank you for that Mark.
So, so sad to read. My heart goes out to that lady and her family and I'm sickened by such injustice.

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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With thanks to the Great British justice system i dont think this will be the end of the matter , my heart goes out to all affected :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Farmer on trial
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completly agree why shud we have to bere the brunt of all the bad press all the time mention motorbikes and we all get tared with the same brush ! gone are the days of mods n rockers prejidice and public hangings!
we all are human and sometimes make mistakes so why do some think they are judge and jury?


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