smokinrider wrote:
just re write it with every risk as low or negligable,
I cant see why roadworthness of vehicles has been put as med risk, do members usually ride unroadworthy vehicles? No TRf CoC states member bikes should be legal.
Incidents on the trail medium risk. more like low or negligible, do members often suffer injuries on trail rides? Occasionally, but not ones that they can blame someone other than themselves.
The ride from Abingdon to imber isn't exactly challenging is it. Its just a normal days green laning not an extreme enduro!
Also 10mph speed in the camp site. Bit dangerous. More like no bikes to be ridden in the campsite. or 5 mph or walking pace.,
Medium risk of fire in tents and vehicles!!!!!!!! Simple Don't allow fires in the campsite and then theres no risk.
The other thing there is its not an official campsite. That might be an issue. The insurers are having to indemnify against claims from the owner and the owner for claims as they may not have their own cover.
The next question would be why do you need insurance? is this just oxford club or is it open to all? If its oxford, just run it as a trail ride, no cover or risk assessment is usually made for a days trf led trail ride. Get everyone to sign a disclaimer accepting responsibility for their own actions and agreeing not to persue a claim against the TRF, regardless of reason.
Having read your assessment I can see why they don't want to accept the risk. It seems your expecting at least 1 member to have an accident where the TRF are liable, and at least 1 car or tent fire.
Re word the RISKS, and any highlighted risks, make sure all reasonable actions have been taken to prevent them.
So risk1 Accidents involving vehicle movements within the campsite,
Severity: Negligable,
Actions: Parking officials will marshall camping vehicles to their pitch. No bikes are permitted to be ridden in the campsite at any time. Anyone riding in the campsite will be asked to leave, no cars/vans permitted to enter or leave the camping area unescorted. vehicles requiring movent during the event should park in the parking area. Car parking facilities have been provided for vehicles not needing access to the camping area. Parking officials will marshal cars in the carpark.
Risk 2, Fire within the campsite.
severity, low,
actions: no refuling of bikes to take place anywhere within the site. No open campfires permitted, All vehicles used as campers must have a fire extinguisher, A fire marshal will be in attendance with ready access to fire fighting equipment. No gas stoves or lights permitted to be used inside tents. the use of bbqs is not permitted anywhere on the site
Risk 3, Injuries to riders,
severity, low,
actions. Riders will be asked to self assess their ability and leaders will cater for their abilities. No more risk is involved, than would be expected on any other days trail riding. The terrain is not overly challenging and competent riders should not struggle with it. Novice riders will be catered with a much less challenging ride, in terms of mileage and terrain. All run leaders will carry basic first aid kit and be first aid qualified and have access to a working mobile phone and be aware of their exact location at all times. A contactable person will be present at all times at the start point and have access to an individuals emergency contact details as provided at registration. This person will then be able to coordinate and asses what further action is necessary.
risk:Contravention of the code of conduct.
severity: negligible,
actions, All routes will be checked by rights of way officers for the regions covered to ensure all routes are legal, Further checking of routes will be carried out with local councils if required. All members will be reminded of their obligation to follow the code of conduct at all time on the trail. All leaders will have a full understanding of the code and will remove a rider from the ride, if they fail to abide by the code, once they have had to be reminded of it. Riders will be requested to read x y z local guide/code and sign that they have read it at registration.
etc etc
I think you are being unrealistic and the RA, in post 1.... is very comprehensive
Some riders might bring bikes, that have no MOT or Tax - how would the event organiser know unless he checks everyone's paperwork - so the it is right that the onus is on the rider to ensure that his machine complies with RTA
No fires on campsite.............come on how else are you going to make a brew, all campers use stoves and the RA has mitigated this
Riding on campsite, 10 mph speed limit is fine and any lower/pushing is unrealistic
No vehicles in camping area - everyone parks bikes/cars/vans next to tents etc - that is not workable
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